4 Crucial Steps Before You File for Divorce

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Welcome everyone to Divorce Team Radio, sponsored by the divorce and family law firm of Merriweather and Tharpe. I'm your host, Todd Orton, and here we're going to learn about divorce family law from time to time, even tips on how to save your marriage if it's in the middle of a crisis. If you want to read more about us, check us out online@atlantadivorceteam.com. Alright, let's get started. I have a lot I want to cover. So throughout the history of the show, we've talked about things you should be thinking about at the beginning of the case, the end of the case, the middle of the case. We've talked about four core areas we've talked about, well, you name it and we've talked about it. Alright, but I want to go to the true beginning because it's crucial. You think about these things, thus the name of the show for crucial initial steps.

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And what do I mean by that? I'm talking about that moment where you decide I need to move forward with a divorce and maybe I don't mean moment, but at around the same time when you decide this isn't working and I have to move forward with a divorce, what should you be thinking about? What should you be doing? So it's these initial steps. Therapy, counseling, old fashioned conversation with your spouse hasn't worked. You decide you need a divorce. We all know you don't need to be a professional working in this field to know that when you decide that you need a divorce, it's a much different situation. It's easy to marry, not so simple to get a divorce. It's a process. There's more to consider when you get married, you fill out a few forms, apply for a certificate, you choose a location, maybe a band you don't need to deal with the four core areas. You don't need to worry about kids', property support when you decide to divorce, all of those issues need to be resolved. Children, you need to make decisions regarding decision making authority. You need to come up with a schedule, you need to run child support numbers, alimony may be an issue, which means you have to put budgets together and they have to be reasonable. Ask for the moon. The other party's probably not going to agree and maybe, so you need to gather information related to these four core areas.

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And I've talked about strategies, things to think about once you make the decision to divorce, but today I want to talk about these first steps, the first several days after you make the decision, and I've broken it into four categories that I'm going to do deep dives on throughout the show. Number one, educate yourself. I've talked about education numerous times. It's why at Merriweather and Tharp we spent a lot of time and effort putting together what I think is an incredible website filled with free information, thousands of pages of free information, access to podcasts and things like that because we want people to educate themselves. We want to push information out there so that people understand more, they understand the process, they understand four core areas, they understand what a divorce might look like.

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So number one, you need to immediately start heading down that path. Start to educate yourself, start to identify the issues that need to be resolved. That's going to lead you to initial step two, start information gathering cases are all about the information that you have. It's all about the evidence. Even the cases, and most cases don't go to court, but even the cases that never step foot in a courtroom when you're sitting down at a table trying to negotiate a settlement, you can't just say, this is what I want. Oftentimes you have to say, Hey, this is what I think I should get or this is what I want and here's why. Here's the evidence that supports my request. As you are doing that, and by the way, that's an ongoing process. I'm not saying that within the first few days you must gather every piece of information relating to any of the core areas.

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It's not going to happen. So don't worry about that. There are some people who come to us and they're like, I have no access to bank records. I have no access to anything. Everything is in the control of my spouse. It's okay, but to the best of your ability, gather that information. If you don't know asset values, that's fine. We can determine that later. But at the very least, try to identify are there bank accounts? What bank are the accounts in? Are there retirement accounts? Are there hard assets like real property, cars, things of that nature. Start to gather that information. Number three, consider your exit strategy. Some of you might be thinking, well, the exit strategy is to get a divorce and get out of this marriage. Not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is you've educated yourself, you've gathered some information. How do you initiate this divorce? How do you move forward with this exit? How do you take steps from that point forward to let the other side know and to move forward with the case?

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You can make mistakes there that set you up for a lot more pain than is necessary. You can do things in a way that triggers the other side. And if you do that, maybe they're more or rather less willing to negotiate fairly because they're still caught up in the emotion. And we're going to talk about that. And that leads me to number four, consult with or retain an attorney. Let me be very clear what I mean by this. If you are in a position where you can't retain an attorney, I get it. There are a lot of people in that boat. If you can't pay to retain someone to stand by your side and represent your interests, I get it. But as part of that education process, at the very least, consult with an attorney, pay for an hour of time.

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A lot of firms like ours, you can even do virtual meetings if you're like, well, it's going to be really tough to get out of work and to get to an office and sit down with the attorney, just call around. There are plenty of attorneys who at the very least you can do a virtual meeting and between you and me, it should happen. After you've done some of these other things, go into that meeting prepared. You've educated yourself, you've gathered some information, you've considered how you should move forward with the case. And then you can sit down and you can share some of those thoughts with the attorney. And we're going to go into a lot more detail because I truly believe how you begin the case will set the stage for how successful you are in the case. I've seen people who bull in a China shop, they just think, all right, I filed for divorce and now I can just go, I can just do what I want to do and do it however I want to do it.

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And it triggers the other side and they make mistakes and they do things that sometimes when I represent the other party, they're mistakes that we can use against them and courts are sometimes critical of that behavior. It could even sometimes open you up to legal fees. So taking these steps, just so you also understand, I'm not saying that this guarantees you get everything you want, but it's definitely going to position you to achieve goals and prevent missteps and mistakes that could negatively affect your rights. So throughout the rest of the show, I'm going to go into these four crucial initial steps. We'll talk about the education, we'll talk about the gathering of information, exit strategies and the benefits of at the very least, meeting with an attorney.

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And so the first thing that we're going to talk about, of course, number one, education. And I have talked about it again and again, forgive me, but that's how important we at Merriweather, andt Tharp feel that that step is, and that's actually something that is a, it's something you should be thinking about at the beginning, the middle, the end. I mean education should never end. It's an ongoing process, but in this context, incredibly, incredibly important. So when we get back, I'm going to jump in. I'm going to start talking about education, you educating yourself, and then of course, as I've talked about in the past, educating the attorney so that you can get the help that you need and make sure you're making good decisions. We'll be right by you.

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Welcome back everyone to Divorce Team Radio, a show sponsored by the Divorce and family law firm of Merriwether Andt Tharp. I'm your host, Todd Orton. And if you want to read more about us, check us out online@atlantadivorceteam.com. Or if you want to read transcripts or listen to shows, again, find it@divorceteamradio.com. So today I'm talking about those four crucial initial steps, crucial. I mean these are in my mind things that you must do, alright? And it's not specific actions, it's more of a general list of things you really should be thinking about and doing. Educating yourself, number one, two, gathering information. Three, considering an exit strategy and four, consulting with or retaining an attorney.

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Doing those things well, it's going to better position you to achieve your goals. I'm going to keep saying that throughout the show because that's what a divorce is about. It's you have certain things you want to accomplish, you have some goals and you don't want to make mistakes that put you in a worse position. So as I promised, let's talk about number one. Let's talk about education. And I know broken record, I've talked about the importance of self-education again and again, but I can't stress the importance of this first step more. Can you go into the process cold? Well, if you're on your own, if you're not represented by an attorney, much more difficult, you're almost guaranteeing that you are going to make some mistakes. If you have an attorney, of course it becomes a little more possible because you can just sort of rely on your attorney.

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You're basically going to the attorney and saying, listen, get me divorced. Tell me what you need when you need to buy. I'm going to try and comply with your requests, but just get it done. Almost like what I do when I drop my car off at the shop and they start telling me what's wrong, and I kind of glaze over a little bit and I'm like, okay, car, no, go room, room. Make it go room, room and thumbs up. And when I get back, it goes room, room. I don't actually talk like a caveman when I bring my car in, but you know what I'm saying, I'm relying on the expertise of that mechanic. But I can tell you, even if you have an attorney, it's not the best choice. Then at times you're going to be paying for a level of education from the attorney that maybe you could have gotten for free.

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Or at the very least, when you have those deeper strategic conversations with the attorney, you're more prepared. You don't need the attorney to start from square one. So I've talked about it, it's important, but the good thing for you is that there is great information out there. I've talked about it also repeatedly be careful of the source. There's a lot of good information, there's a lot of bad information, there's a lot of information that may even be good information, but it's in the wrong jurisdiction. This week has been just an interesting week of people bringing things up where they're talking about, oh, I know that if you've been married for seven years, you're guaranteed to get this. Or I know if we're married for 10 years, I'm entitled to that without going into the specific issues, I'm on the phone with people going, that's not the law here. So they try to get education, that's great. That fills my heart. Problem is they went to the wrong place to get it.

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If you're getting a divorce in Georgia, maybe looking at the website of a California attorney isn't the best idea and vice versa, getting information great, but even good information from a good source if it's the wrong place, wrong jurisdiction. Just remember every state has unique law and unfortunately there are plenty of people who call want to talk to an attorney here. And one of the first things we determine is where would the case be pending? And if we don't have jurisdiction, there's really not much for us to talk about because I can't speak. The attorneys here in Georgia can't speak about the laws in another state. So the good thing is that there is great information out there. The bad thing is a lot of people are pushing information out there and therefore you as the consumer need to be very careful. Like in Georgia for instance, I can sit and I can sing the praises of Merriweather and Tharp's website as a matter of fact I will. But it is a free source of information. We are dedicated to practice here in Georgia. If you or someone you know is going forward with a divorce here in Georgia, it is a great amazing resource.

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And yes, I am biased, I get it. But I'm just telling you that I've also heard from many, many, many people who call because they reviewed the website and they got good information from it. But now let me explain. It's not an ego thing that they get on the phone, they're like, Hey, looked at your website, great information. I can tell you the benefit. The benefit is in that call where someone called in asking questions, wanted to speak to someone to see what kind of help they needed, they get on the phone with me. I can't tell you how refreshing it is when the person has actually done some homework. So having a conversation with someone who's never looked at a website, read anything about divorce, starts the conversation. I don't even know where to begin. I don't know what to talk about. I'm not saying that's a problem.

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I love education so much. I love communicating and teaching and so it's something that I enjoy. I'm dedicated to this practice. So I'm not saying you can't call and start that way. What I'm saying is it is very nice when someone calls and goes, Hey, I have two children. I do have a job. I don't think alimony is going to be an issue. Maybe it is because maybe there's a big discrepancy or a big difference rather between my income and my spouses, but nonetheless, I know child support. I understand it's an income share model. I understand what custody might look like. This is what I'm thinking. Can we talk? That means I don't have to lay this significant foundation and start from ground zero. I can go and leap 10 steps ahead and we can start talking strategy. And of course sometimes I have to clarify things, sometimes I have to correct misunderstandings. That's fine. But I can tell you if you do this, you are going to feel a lot better in that first conversation. So if you don't get information prior to moving forward with the case, if you don't get that basic information, I'll be honest with you, it's because she didn't look for it.

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It's out there. As I was preparing for the show, it was that, and I think I've even mentioned this before, but it's that old GI Joe cartoon. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle. It's true. Knowing knowledge is half the battle. If you understand your rights, you know what to fight for. You know what to look for in terms of helpful evidence and you can more efficiently work with an attorney. Every case you need to think foundationally understand the four core areas, then dive into the areas that apply to your marriage, read about potential parenting time schedules, learn about child support, calculation methodology, understand even read the law about alimony and read up on the basics of equitable division of assets. I am not telling you to study and become an attorney.

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I'm not suggesting you have to have that depth of knowledge. I'm simply saying prepare yourself if you don't do this, especially if you're not doing this and you're representing yourself. I can't tell you how many people call me after they have reached an agreement where they clearly did not educate themselves. And the question that I get all the time is how do I get out of this agreement? And unfortunately a majority of the time, my answer is, you can't. You signed off. It's even now a final order. You're stuck with these terms here in Georgia. Equitable division can't even be modified in the future. Support custody. Those things can, I'm not saying just because you want it, but they can be modified When we come back, I'm going to talk about the second crucial initial step and that's gathering information. We'll be right back. Hey everyone, you're listening to our podcast, but you have alternatives, you have choices. You can listen to us live also at 1:00 AM on Monday morning on WSB.

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Welcome back everyone to Divorce Team Radio sponsored by Meriwether and Tharp. I'm your host, Todd Orton. And if you want to read more about us, check us out online@atlantadivorceteam.com. You want to read transcripts or listen to old shows? Go to divorce team radio.com. So we're talking about those four crucial initial steps. I could have just called it four initial steps. I truly believe these are crucial steps. These are things that you should be doing, whether you are going to have an attorney help you or you're going to do it on your own. If you are thinking about a divorce, these are the things you do to best prepare you for the process. I've already talked about education as always. I think it's incredibly important. You educate yourself, then you understand you have a deeper understanding of the process of the law and you are better prepared as you either begin the case yourself or even as you start to engage in conversations with an attorney.

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You're not coming at that conversation from a place of ignorance. And I don't mean that in an insulting way, meaning you are ignorant of the law. If you are completely blind as to what the law says and requires and all of that, that means when you engage with an attorney, you are basically looking at that attorney saying, alright, start from scratch. I know nothing. And that just means that the attorney has to take more time, make more effort to get you caught up in order to then have those more deep strategic conversations. So number two, gathering information. So what do I mean by this? Some of it's basic, some of it not so much.

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I've already said without gathering information about four core areas. The answer is yes. Every case here in Georgia, I can tell you in most places, but I will tell you here in Georgia you're entitled to six months of discovery. Well, I mean I can't think of a more appropriate word. It is a period of time during which you are entitled to discover information relevant to your case. So can you start a case with nothing, having no information? The answer is of course, and then you can engage in discovery, ask questions, gather information from third parties, from the other party. So basic stuff, names, addresses, that stuff is important too. There are some people who call and they're like, I don't know anything. Yeah, you do. It may be the basic stuff, but if we need the basic stuff, the not so basic stuff, the complex stuff, if you can even just start with the basic, that's great. It's a great start.

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And trust me also when I say as you start putting that together, you're going to feel empowered. You're a part of the process, you're helping yourself. You may be looking to an attorney to help you, but you're helping yourself as well. So you have the basic information and I can tell you, I can answer some questions here or here's one question. Is it better to make an effort to gather information important to you and your case? Well, as opposed to the opposite where you make zero effort and you're not participating in the information gathering, the answer is a clear resounding yes. So bottom line is information in these cases is key. It's what the case is all about.

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Alright? And I also want to be clear, I know I'm going to talk about consulting with or retaining an attorney, but let me also say this. I am not telling you that you must have all the information prior to the meeting with the attorney or the conversation with the attorney. What I'm saying is do your best, gather what you can. Alright, the first meeting or meetings, especially before you retain an attorney, and I'm going to go into this more, but that's not the time to lay everything out on the table and say, okay, let's dive into the 20 banker boxes of documents that I brought in. But discovering information relevant to the core issues in your case, that's what these cases are really all about.

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Settlement doesn't just happen as you are trying to educate yourself. Let's talk about some practical things. How should you think about it? Well think first about the four core areas, custody issues, child support issues, alimony issues, division of property and debt. That's not an exhaustive list, but that covers the core areas. There could be some issues in your case that you need to talk about. Okay, that's fine. Maybe they fall under one of those core areas, maybe they don't. But nonetheless, think for core and there are checklists online. Start there, pull a checklist, start gathering information. So for instance, custody. Think about legal and physical custody. This is where you may want to take some notes. I'm going to go through this pretty quickly. You may want to come back and listen again, but I'm going to go through some of this custody. Think legal and physical custody.

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Make sure you know about teachers, coaches, doctors that care for the kids. Think about children's medical needs, educational needs tutors. Think about their activities, coaches, physical custody. Think about your work schedule and the other party's work schedule. What custody schedule would work for you? Children's schedules, think about that. Make sure you are educated about what their actual schedules are. Pick up and drop off points. Third party assistance, witnesses who can help or hurt your case. Information about behavior. And again, not an exhaustive list here, but I'm giving you some ideas. Child support. Think about respective income from all sources. I'm talking if you are a W2 nine to fiver, great. If you have a side hustle that needs to be included. So think about income statements, tax returns, trust documents, healthcare, premium costs, extraordinary costs and special issues that need to come up when you're talking about alimony.

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Again, comes down to income, it comes down to budgets. Think about what your expenses are. And please, again, I'm going to very quickly say before the end of this segment, and I'm not saying that before you contact the attorney, you must have all of this. It's great if you do, but I'm not saying you have to have it before you have that conversation. But at the very least you should be thinking about these things so that when you have the conversation, you can say to the attorney, Hey, I know that alimony is an issue and by the way, I've thought about income and I've done some budgetary analysis. I need to work up a budget. You need to think about expenses. You need to think about all those things that come into play when you're determining whether or not you need alimony. And then of course whether or not the other party can pay alimony.

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And then regarding division of property and debt, understand what the assets and debts are. You may not have access to the documents and that's okay, but to the best of your ability. Account statements, real estate contracts, lists of assets, cars, any other toys that might be there. Take steps to understand your situation and you'll be on your way to hopefully successfully moving forward with the divorce. You will more quickly get to a point where you or your legal representative can have a conversation with the other party. That's really what it comes down to. Information is power. If the other side controls all the information, I'm not saying all the time, there are plenty of people who have a lot of integrity and you sit down and it's like, well I know we need to talk about this, this, this and this. And it's like, yeah, that's a pretty exhaustive list and that's great. Fantastic, let's talk about it. Let's figure this out. But guess what? Not everybody engages like that. So that means when you embark on those conversations, you need to be ready. So alright, exit strategy. When we come back, I want to talk about what that means and why it is so important. Right? Bye.

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Welcome back everyone. I'm Todd. This is Divorce Team Radio sponsored by Meriwether and tha you want to read more about us? Check us out on atlanta divorce team.com. You want to read transcripts, listen to shows, go to divorce team radio.com. Okay, we're talking about the crucial four crucial initial steps, and I'm going to talk faster because I've been going over things and I have two more that I want to hit in this segment. So I've talked about educating yourself, I've talked about gathering information. Let's talk about the last two. First I'm going to start with considering your exit strategy and what that means. So you have to understand that if I leave a room, do I need a strategy? Well, it's pretty simple. I use a door, a window, and an emergency. I suppose it's pretty simple. I don't have to give it a lot of thought, but starting the process and deciding on an exit strategy in a divorce, it's not so simple.

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Okay, another I guess example would be back in the day before online tools made it easier. I remember having to use maps. I had to think about getting from point A to point B. If I went on a road trip, I didn't just jump in a car and start driving, I mapped out the directions. So I'd take out that highlighter, I'd take out the map. It's funny, I was going through my closet. I have one of those big map books from years and years ago. But I would map out the highways, state and county roads that I need to travel on to get to my destination. Well guess what? Divorce is somewhat similar. Everything I'm talking about in this show is about you understanding what you need to accomplish and then thinking about the tools you're going to need to accomplish your goals and to avoid missteps. By doing that, you can then focus on the best plan of action to reach your destination.

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So here's some thoughts on initial strategic steps. Initially think about attorney choice. Think about your philosophy and the philosophy of the attorney that you might be hiring. It's more important than you think. If you're going into this and you think everything's going to be or should be amicable and we always hope for a resolution, but nonetheless, make sure that your attorney is on board in terms of that resolution focus. Think about the timing to start the process. And by that I mean do you just walk in today and say, Hey, by the way, we're getting a divorce. Do you wait? Gather information, let them know at a more appropriate time. Oftentimes I'll say to people, wait, I'm not saying be sneaky. I'm not saying that you're trying to pull one over on the other side, but prepare a bit, gather some basic information and then come up with a time to tell the other party that you are actually moving forward with the process.

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Think about also how to tell the other party. Think about their reactions, think about safety concerns. Think about the notification method. You're going to tell them face to face. You're going to wait until you're in a public space or you're going to email them, text them. It's a little cold, but I get it sometimes, especially if there are safety concerns, it's what you need to do. Think about whether or not there are issues in your case that are going to require emergency or temporary relief. Think about service issues, challenges that may be present to get the other party served. At this point in my career, I've seen it all. Plenty of people who will just say, I get it. I'll acknowledge service, I'll sign a document, you don't need to send anybody after me. But I've also had situations where literally I had a team, two to three cars of process servers who were trying to get someone served. And I mean it was like something out of a TV show where I'm on the phone with one of them while they are going in different directions and the person in question would be going one direction, would just immediately would turn the other direction, drive to try and lose anyone following them.

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We got them served. But point is it was more difficult. So you need to think about the service issues. You need to think about can you live together while the case is pending? There's a big difference between can you and do you want to? And there are budget considerations. So will you move out or do you want the other party to move? What's custody going to look like? Parenting time. What are the schedules safety concerns? What about support? Is that going to have to be paid? Is there money available to pay bills and buy necessities? Are the assets secure? What about pictures, videos, and other information? Have you secured that information? So there are more comprehensive checklists online like at Merriweather and tharps, mt law office.com. But basically you need to make sure that you are thinking about these things. Again, divorce doesn't just happen and how you start a case can really, really determine some of the challenges or rather how challenging the case may be and how successful you may be and how long a case may last.

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Alright, let's move on to four attorneys. I don't need to spend too much time on this. I don't think anyone's going to argue that securing help from an attorney who knows about the legal issue you're dealing with. I don't think they're going to say that it's a bad idea If I hurt myself or if I have an illness and I go to the right doctor. Clearly that was a good idea. I can tell you right now, if you have a slip and fall injury, you definitely should not go to a divorce attorney or vice versa. If you're getting divorced, maybe a personal injury attorney isn't the person for you, but if you go to the right expert or the right professional rather who knows about that area of law, it's going to benefit you.

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And I understand hiring an attorney can be costly, but you have to separate cost from helpfulness. So if you can, I've already said this, at the very least, you should be consulting with an attorney, meaning have a consult meeting so you can ask questions, go into the meeting prepared so that you can ask specific questions and get good answers. I believe it is imperative that you at least speak with an attorney about your case. Alright? And that's why I also broke it down into the two categories, consultations or retention. So very quickly you start with a consult. It's a single meeting with an attorney. You can pay for an attorney's time and ask questions. Some attorneys will do it, some not. But most attorneys will make time for consultations.

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But be very clear, some of those paid consultations depends on the attorney, but just make sure that about what you're going to get. Have them set some expectations for you. There are some consults where I hear people talk about, Hey, I consulted with an attorney and we talked very generally and I walked out not really having answers about me and my case. So make sure you ask some questions about what you can expect from that meeting. You're going to want to go in, review the issues, the four core areas, talk about some of the facts, talk about some of the situation, and get some opinions, some suggestions, maybe even talk lightly about strategy. And at the end of the consult, you go your separate ways the attorney's work is done. If you like what that attorney had to say, great. If you can't afford to retain or don't want to retain, you can always come back for an additional consult.

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And remember a consult, it depends on the attorney and the firm. You can call in and say, Hey, for instance, we can do a consult. Or there are some people who come to us and say, look, I want this to be a really deep dive I can't retain right now, but I'd like to come in. I'd like to bring in some documents and review. And while we may not be able to tell you because we haven't done all the work and do diligence to make sure you're making good decisions, we can look at things and help to make sure you're not making any glaring mistakes. So we can do a document review kind of thing. And when you retain an attorney, of course that's different. I don't have to explain that. But basically that's when you are tasking an attorney to sit with you, represent you, fight for you. But even then you should be educated. You should understand the facts, the circumstances, so that as they're working for you, you're not completely a hundred percent dependent on them. Because in those situations you lose sight of what right looks like. At that point you don't know if what they're doing is reasonable because you don't really understand what they're doing.

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Alright, I hope this helped. I hope you never have to go through the process, but if you do, these initial steps are crucial. Do these things, engage in this behavior, you're going to position yourself for some success. Alright, I hope it helped. Thanks for listening.